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Post by neo on Feb 18, 2009 19:29:08 GMT -5
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Post by MetalGreymon Tamer on Feb 18, 2009 19:31:39 GMT -5
that's wrong. piedmon was destroyed, or else spiral mountian wouldn't have vanished. all them vilemon too
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Post by neo on Feb 18, 2009 19:43:38 GMT -5
1st rule of debating: back up everything you say with a credible source, otherwise people will think you're just making stuff up to make yourself sound right.
Wikimon is perhaps the best credible source of Digimon on the web, so coming out and saying it's wrong is like saying, the dictionary is wrong.
Second, Piedmon wasn't destroyed. No where did it say that in the anime that he was destroyed. He was banished into a different dimension, which is like removing them from reality. When a person is removed from reality, it is like they don't exist. Not existing in a certain plain is like being dead, but not the same thing.
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Post by MetalGreymon Tamer on Feb 18, 2009 19:47:13 GMT -5
if he doesn't exixt, then chumon and piximon would have been instantly restored. even if he was elsewhere, the mountian would remain until he was destroyed. azulongmon said that the digidestined kill ALL of the dark masters. that includes piedmon.
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Post by neo on Feb 18, 2009 19:54:12 GMT -5
Did he really say "killed," or was it more along the lines of "defeated?"
That aside, I'm afraid you're missing the point, which may be due to your lack of knowledge on the subject of different dimensions. Because I don't feel like explaining it any further (and doubt that you'd be willing to learn anything), I'll just drop the matter.
Bottom line, Magna Angemon can't beat Goku. Try someone else.
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Post by MetalGreymon Tamer on Feb 18, 2009 22:31:06 GMT -5
apocalymon, malomyotismon,imperialdramon fightermode
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Post by neo on Feb 19, 2009 1:31:54 GMT -5
Apocalymon--A digimon made up of a bunch of failed creations. He has the ability to turn his enemies into data, force digimon to de-digivolve, and can blow himself up along with the world. In the realm of Digimon, it's safe to say that he's quite an intimidating force, but put up against Goku, I'm afraid there's really no contest.
First off, his reverse Digivolution would be sorta useless, since it de-digivolves digimon. Goku's not a digimon.
The whole turning enemies into data thing would be sorta useless, too, since Goku isn't made of data. Of course, if this battle were to take place in the digital world, that'd be a different story. I'd imagine Apocalymon trying to do that, and possibly even succeeding, but the worst that would do is give Goku a surprise. After a short while, he'd probably reform himself good as new. The digidestined were able to do it, without any problem, so Goku won't have any either.
The only real thing that might pose a threat to Goku would be that self destruct thing, but do you know how many times the people from DBZ go against foes like that? At the first mention, first hint, first thought of self-destruction, Goku would react in the fastest way possible to subdue him. As big and powerful as Apocalymon is, I doubt he can blow up faster than the speed of light, which is about how fast Goku's Instant Transmission is.
And on the subject of sheer power: that should easily be a no brained decision. I don't know about you, but I typically think people who can punch holes through mountains, cause earthquakes with their aura, and blast people into the sun are waay stronger than rejected data. Now you may try to say, "But Apocalymon can destroy both the real world and the digital world!" Well, okay, but first of all, he'd have to blow himself up to do it, and like I said earlier, there is no way Goku would let that happen, and secondly, since Freeza, every single major hero and villain in DBZ could blow up the earth ten times over, and still have enough energy for more.
Goku vs Apacalymon... Goku wins.
MaloMyotismon--Personally, I've always hated this digimon. He's big, ugly, and a sorry villain, but he does have power, and illusions. With his Mental Illusion technique, he can lock people into a dream world. That's sorta good, except it has a little flaw.
Remember Davis? Yeah, he beat that dream world by simply being a happy kid. Goku, is practically the epitome of happy-go-lucky, so he should be able to break that within record time, and still be able to laugh about it.
After the magic show finishes, the real fight would begin, if you'd be so bold as to call it that. Looking at his stats and abilities, it actually seems as if he's weaker than Apocalymon. In fact, I'm pretty sure Apocalymon could easily beat him. And using logic, we can state that since Apocalymon can beat MaloMyotismon and Goku can beat Apocalymon, then Goku should be able to beat MaloMyotismon. Since the dude's my least favorite villain in the whole series, I'm gonna just leave it at that.
Imperialdramon--Again, by Digimon standards, he's unbelievably powerful. Probably a 9 on a scale of 1 to 10, but as I said earlier, DBZ throws normal power scales out the window. In their world, the dial goes up to 11, and guess who's at top? That's right, Goku. Any and all of Imperialdramon's attacks pail in comparison to Goku's. Positron Laser? A Kamehameha should beat that. Supreme Positron Laser? Meet Super Kamehameha. Giga Crusher? How about a Spirit Bomb. Splendor Blade? Uh, keep in mind that Goku fought off a sword with his finger.
In conclusion, Goku is without a doubt, the strongest character created in the universe. Why? Well, that's sorta what DBZ was going for. It's like they created the show for the sole purpose of making a god-like character.
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Post by MetalGreymon Tamer on Feb 19, 2009 10:02:45 GMT -5
However, since they'd be in the digital world, apocalymon could turn goku into data, and grand big bang blows up EVERYTHING! no evasion. i said malomyotismon because of crimson mist or screaming dakness. Crimson mist to dissolve everything, or screaming darkness to block everything. imperialdramon cuz he has enough power to blow up a star, so goku is screwed if he gets hit.
oh yeah, and azulongmon did say Defeated.
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Post by Deji on Feb 19, 2009 10:25:01 GMT -5
You can't turn human into data...it doesn't work that way.
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Post by MetalGreymon Tamer on Feb 19, 2009 14:19:45 GMT -5
then how did he do it to the digidestined in season 1? and if you're in the digital world, yoou're data, thus says tamers.
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Post by Deji on Feb 19, 2009 16:12:59 GMT -5
That theory is a little bit corrupt...
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Post by neo on Feb 19, 2009 17:40:17 GMT -5
That theory is a little bit corrupt... How is that theory corrupt? Explain yourself, because from everything I've seen, that theory is pretty straight. Now, MSG: First off, did you read everything--anything I just said? I already told you why what you said wouldn't work, and why! However, since they'd be in the digital world, apocalymon could turn goku into data, I'd imagine Apocalymon trying to do that, and possibly even succeeding, but the worst that would do is give Goku a surprise. After a short while, he'd probably reform himself good as new. The digidestined were able to do it, without any problem, so Goku won't have any either. and grand big bang blows up EVERYTHING! no evasion. At the first mention, first hint, first thought of self-destruction, Goku would react in the fastest way possible to subdue him. As big and powerful as Apocalymon is, I doubt he can blow up faster than the speed of light, which is about how fast Goku's Instant Transmission is. And to add on to that, about every single major character in DBZ could blow up the world, so again I say, something like that would be no real concern. i said malomyotismon because of crimson mist or screaming dakness. Crimson mist to dissolve everything, or screaming darkness to block everything. Everything? Did Screaming Darkness block Imperialdramon's Giga Crusher? No. Now replace Giga Crusher with somethin' like a Spirit Bomb, and Malomyotismon'll be destroyed ten times over. Crimson Mist? Psh, that's nothin'. Goku's fought against people under all sorts of elements; he even fought against a dude who generated heat hotter than the surface of the sun! You think some acidic mist can take him? It didn't destroy Imperialdramon, what makes you think it can destroy Goku? imperialdramon cuz he has enough power to blow up a star, so goku is screwed if he gets hit. Blow up a star? Is that it? Again, DBZ has a whole other power scale. Master Roshi back in Dragonball blew up the moon! Do you know how much stronger the characters have gotten since then? Freeza blew up planets for sport! Super Buu wiped out the entire human race! Kid Buu blew up the earth with a blast no bigger than a volleyball! Every character and DBZ can deflect energy blasts (and yes Positron Laser would be about the equivalent of an energy blast) by swatting it with their hand!
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Post by MetalGreymon Tamer on Feb 19, 2009 21:07:55 GMT -5
that is exactly what my friends say.
ok, u name a digimon who could win.
Bass.exe wins. he's pretty much goku in the form of the cyberworlds dark god of destruction.
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Post by neo on Feb 19, 2009 21:57:54 GMT -5
There isn't a digimon that could win. That's what I'm trying to tell you. If DBZ and Digimon were to have a crossover match, DBZ would win. There's nothing in the realm of anime that can even compare to DBZ. Every character is faster, stronger, and better. The entire concept of the show is about supernatural fighting with characters that have enough power to wipe out entire galaxies with little effort. Nothing trumps DBZ.
Now Bass? The answer is still the same. No, he couldn't win. You can't compare a character from Megaman to Goku, either. I'm not even gonna get into the specifics of that crossover match.
Your problem is you let your fanboyism get in the way of your judgment. If you took a neutral stance and really took the time to consider the strengths and weaknesses of each side, you'd see the truth.
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Post by MetalGreymon Tamer on Feb 19, 2009 22:07:12 GMT -5
I could say the same about you
*craks knuckles* OK, BASS IS THE MOST ADVANCED SOLO NET NAVI, sory, i accidentaly hit caps lock, one of his attacks has the power of a super nuclear missle, he can absorb the attacks of his opponents, without killing them, and in the manga vol 3,5 7-9 explain all about how power full he is. plus, he can fuse with megaman who is one of the most powerful navi's alive, and he can go beast out,, and reflect anythin thrown at him.
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